Why don?t you believe it? For an Amphicar it is absolutely usual that they
sat out somewhere in a lot for years before they were sold! Mine is VIN
101795 that means it is a 61 model! But first registration was 1967! So it
was already 6 years old when sold from factory! That is not an exception but
the rule! I wonder how you believe in 67 when it is proofed that production
stopped in 65 already.
Anyway your 101221 is a 61 model for sure and your 106522387 a 62 model -
that?s right. What makes you doubt about it? Hey, if this car is that
original as you say, take off the hubcaps and examinate the wheel for
numbers. You should see the date of production on the wheel somewhere.
Unless somebody may have changed them.
Ren?

----- Original Message -----
From: John <isettajohn@aol.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:08 AM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., Ren? Pohl wrote:
> Yes, in the 9 digit US number it is certainly the 6th digit giving
the year of manufacture. So it is a 1964 in this case.
> Anyway in the 6 digit number it is the 3rd digit telling the year of
> production.
> Important: Keep in mind that most cars were sold sometimes years
later after
> production and that NO car was built later than
1965.

******** I've been reading the posts on the side hoping to learn
something here but only wind up more confused than before. I own two
Amphi's and wonder about the year/vin thing. The first one is 101221
which is titled as a 63. According to the posts here I'll buy that it
was built in 61 if the third digit says so. However the second car I
have is a one owner, driven one season car and parked with 974
original miles. Its vin is 106522387 which the people here say is a
62 according to the 6th digit. This I dont believe - sorry. Am I
wrong? JW *****



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That?s a good point!
Okay, if that is true, there should no car above VIN 10...3878 out there.
Because that is the number of produced cars. Hey, anybody out there can beat
the ...3878 at the VINs end?
Ren?


----- Original Message -----
From: Schulz Gary-FGS111 <fgs111@email.mot.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


I think there is absolutely no credible evidence that says a VIN 101221 was
built in 1961. By that logic the Amphi corp could only limit their yearly
output to 1000 cars otherwise they would defeat their own numbering scheme.
I still say They just numbered then sequentially. Look at the
transmissions, They are sequential. Also I don't believe the bit about
VIN's being stamped at various times by dealers. I can say without
reservation that the numbers on mine were all stamped at the same time by
the same tool!

Gary Schulz

-----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:isettajohn@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:08 PM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., Ren? Pohl wrote:
> Yes, in the 9 digit US number it is certainly the 6th digit giving
the year of manufacture. So it is a 1964 in this case.
> Anyway in the 6 digit number it is the 3rd digit telling the year of
> production.
> Important: Keep in mind that most cars were sold sometimes years
later after
> production and that NO car was built later than
1965.

******** I've been reading the posts on the side hoping to learn
something here but only wind up more confused than before. I own two
Amphi's and wonder about the year/vin thing. The first one is 101221
which is titled as a 63. According to the posts here I'll buy that it
was built in 61 if the third digit says so. However the second car I
have is a one owner, driven one season car and parked with 974
original miles. Its vin is 106522387 which the people here say is a
62 according to the 6th digit. This I dont believe - sorry. Am I
wrong? JW *****



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If VIN's were not stamped by the manufacturer, how is it that each car has a
unique VIN? What computer data-base existed so that all the various dealers
(dealers with stores that sold sporting goods and dealers that sold cars
only)would be able to generate VIN's that didn't overlap? It is also illegal
(in the states)for any automotive dealer to manipulate the VIN as produced by
the factory (amended maybe but not altered). I also agree with a point that Marc
made in an earlier posting about this theory that one could have ordered black
dash and raised lips as an option? Sounds more like an attempt at the under
funded amphicar corp. trying to minimize glare coming from the dash on later
models, realizing additional federal regulation was on the way....

Gary Schulz

-----Original Message-----
From: Ren? Pohl [mailto:amphicar@gmx.de]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:58 PM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


That?s a good point!
Okay, if that is true, there should no car above VIN 10...3878 out there.
Because that is the number of produced cars. Hey, anybody out there can beat
the ...3878 at the VINs end?
Ren?


----- Original Message -----
From: Schulz Gary-FGS111 <fgs111@email.mot.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


I think there is absolutely no credible evidence that says a VIN 101221 was
built in 1961. By that logic the Amphi corp could only limit their yearly
output to 1000 cars otherwise they would defeat their own numbering scheme.
I still say They just numbered then sequentially. Look at the
transmissions, They are sequential. Also I don't believe the bit about
VIN's being stamped at various times by dealers. I can say without
reservation that the numbers on mine were all stamped at the same time by
the same tool!

Gary Schulz

-----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:isettajohn@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:08 PM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., Ren? Pohl wrote:
> Yes, in the 9 digit US number it is certainly the 6th digit giving
the year of manufacture. So it is a 1964 in this case.
> Anyway in the 6 digit number it is the 3rd digit telling the year of
> production.
> Important: Keep in mind that most cars were sold sometimes years
later after
> production and that NO car was built later than
1965.

******** I've been reading the posts on the side hoping to learn
something here but only wind up more confused than before. I own two
Amphi's and wonder about the year/vin thing. The first one is 101221
which is titled as a 63. According to the posts here I'll buy that it
was built in 61 if the third digit says so. However the second car I
have is a one owner, driven one season car and parked with 974
original miles. Its vin is 106522387 which the people here say is a
62 according to the 6th digit. This I dont believe - sorry. Am I
wrong? JW *****



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One more thing...I'm not sure if anyone was able to open the enclosure I had of
my chassis plate but if you carefully examine it and I did under a microscope,
The date stamped on it absolutely was stamped at the same time as the rest of
the information. Same die same strike depth. The VIN # 100927 But the stamped
date is 1963.

Gary Schulz

-----Original Message-----
From: Ren? Pohl [mailto:amphicar@gmx.de]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:58 PM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


That?s a good point!
Okay, if that is true, there should no car above VIN 10...3878 out there.
Because that is the number of produced cars. Hey, anybody out there can beat
the ...3878 at the VINs end?
Ren?


----- Original Message -----
From: Schulz Gary-FGS111 <fgs111@email.mot.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


I think there is absolutely no credible evidence that says a VIN 101221 was
built in 1961. By that logic the Amphi corp could only limit their yearly
output to 1000 cars otherwise they would defeat their own numbering scheme.
I still say They just numbered then sequentially. Look at the
transmissions, They are sequential. Also I don't believe the bit about
VIN's being stamped at various times by dealers. I can say without
reservation that the numbers on mine were all stamped at the same time by
the same tool!

Gary Schulz

-----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:isettajohn@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:08 PM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., Ren? Pohl wrote:
> Yes, in the 9 digit US number it is certainly the 6th digit giving
the year of manufacture. So it is a 1964 in this case.
> Anyway in the 6 digit number it is the 3rd digit telling the year of
> production.
> Important: Keep in mind that most cars were sold sometimes years
later after
> production and that NO car was built later than
1965.

******** I've been reading the posts on the side hoping to learn
something here but only wind up more confused than before. I own two
Amphi's and wonder about the year/vin thing. The first one is 101221
which is titled as a 63. According to the posts here I'll buy that it
was built in 61 if the third digit says so. However the second car I
have is a one owner, driven one season car and parked with 974
original miles. Its vin is 106522387 which the people here say is a
62 according to the 6th digit. This I dont believe - sorry. Am I
wrong? JW *****



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Thaw? I'm in Michigan and still waiting for fall to
begin. It's unbelievable and welcome for my first year
with an Amphi. Today, mid-Novemeber is in the mid-60s
when we would normally be in the 30s-40s. The last 3
weekends have been the same and I've been on the water
at least one day of each of them. Each weekend I keep
thinking that this is the one where I need to do the
winterization and put it away, but then the weather
report says otherwise. I don't know how the rest of
the country is doing, but in Michigan this year, it's
fantastic and predications again for this coming
weekend are warm again. Maybe I won't have to put it
in storage at all this year. Last weekend, I met up
with Paul Rasmussen who moved back from Germany and we
had a great time with 2 cars on the lake for the day.
Hope the rest of you are enjoying good weather and
have a safe holiday.
Greg Zinkosky(balmy Michigan)

P.S. On the Vin/Year discussion, what does it mean
when no year is stamped? I heard from someone that it
meant the car was sold in '68 but could not be stamped
as such because of the EPA restrictions starting that
year. My VIN is 106522207 with no year stamped and
would be considered a late car, i.e. black dash, thru
hull shocks, etc.
--- markamsdill@aol.com wrote:
> Hello all, Mark from Dexter here. We have a blue 62
> # 100093. It must be one
> of the early ones, We have more fun with this car
> than any of our other cars
> . I should have bought one years ago.Everyone have a
> great holiday season and
> wish for an early thaw. Mark and Karen Amsdill
>


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