Allan Woodcock

   

The article in the latest Amphicar Newsletter concerning VIN vs YEAR did
not seem logical to me. I am at Gordon Imports at least once a week so
Hugh gave me his understanding on this subject. The first thing he said
was that any variation to the norm could exist because the 9 digit
numbers were stamped on the tags in the USA by the distributor. So, if
a car did not sell one year it could conceivably be stamped with the
next year and sold. The cars before 1966 had the 6 digit serial number.
101XXX was for ?64 and older. 102XXX was not produced according to Hugh
yet that is the number on Paul Rasmussens car (something to be worked
out later ? how many cars have a 2 in the 3rd position?). 103XXX was for
?65.
Next come the nine digit cars. The number 562 was added after the
second number in the original German numbering. Thus all cars after
1965 have a 562 in the VIN XX562XXXX. A 1 after the 562 was for 1966.
A 2 or a 3 after 562 was for 1967.
If we use the system mentioned in the newsletter then all nine digit
cars would have been built in 1962 and a car with a 103XXX German vin
number would have been built in 1963 and not 1965. Since my car (
106521991) has a 1 after the 652 I plan to show the year as 1966 since
the space for year manufactured is blank on the tag. If you look at
the club roster you will see couple of examples of cars that may be from
a different year than listed. Nils Brock(103092) is listed as a 1966
when I might be a 1965. The same goes with Arnold Hite. Sidney
Armistead (106523027) is listed as a 1977 when it in fact might be a
1967. So, it?s the 3rd digit in the German numbering system and the
6th digit in the 9 digit US numbering system that supposedly hold the
key to the year of manufacture.

Allan Woodcock
Red ?67 soon to be a ?66

John Friese

   

Allan,
I have a very late car (black upper doors) that came from Canada. It
has VIN number 106524160. How does this car fit into your numbering
scheme? Wouldn't your numbering system make it a 1969? That
can't be right.

John Friese


--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., Allan Woodcock wrote:
> The article in the latest Amphicar Newsletter concerning VIN vs YEAR
did
> not seem logical to me. I am at Gordon Imports at least once a week
so
> Hugh gave me his understanding on this subject. The first thing he
said
> was that any variation to the norm could exist because the 9 digit
> numbers were stamped on the tags in the USA by the distributor. So,
if
> a car did not sell one year it could conceivably be stamped with the
> next year and sold. The cars before 1966 had the 6 digit serial
number.
> 101XXX was for '64 and older. 102XXX was not produced according to
Hugh
> yet that is the number on Paul Rasmussens car (something to be
worked
> out later ? how many cars have a 2 in the 3rd position?). 103XXX was
for
> '65.
> Next come the nine digit cars. The number 562 was added after the
> second number in the original German numbering. Thus all cars after
> 1965 have a 562 in the VIN XX562XXXX. A 1 after the 562 was for
1966.
> A 2 or a 3 after 562 was for 1967.
> If we use the system mentioned in the newsletter then all nine digit
> cars would have been built in 1962 and a car with a 103XXX German
vin
> number would have been built in 1963 and not 1965. Since my car (
> 106521991) has a 1 after the 652 I plan to show the year as 1966
since
> the space for year manufactured is blank on the tag. If you look
at
> the club roster you will see couple of examples of cars that may be
from
> a different year than listed. Nils Brock(103092) is listed as a
1966
> when I might be a 1965. The same goes with Arnold Hite. Sidney
> Armistead (106523027) is listed as a 1977 when it in fact might be a
> 1967. So, it's the 3rd digit in the German numbering system and
the
> 6th digit in the 9 digit US numbering system that supposedly hold
the
> key to the year of manufacture.
>
> Allan Woodcock
> Red '67 soon to be a `66

Ren? Pohl

   

Yes, in the 9 digit US number it is certainly the 6th digit giving the year
of manufacture. So it is a 1964 in this case. Sorry for the confusion, just
noticed this little mistake of saying 5th digit in the IAOCnews when I
received it! A bit too late- sorry.
Anyway in the 6 digit number it is the 3rd digit telling the year of
production.
Important: Keep in mind that most cars were sold sometimes years later after
production and that NO car was built later than 1965 (except perhaps three
cars built from parts in the 70s by some German Amphifriends).

Ren? Pohl
www.schwimmauto.de



----- Original Message -----
From: John Friese <jfriese@mindspring.com>
To: <amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:04 AM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


Allan,
I have a very late car (black upper doors) that came from Canada. It
has VIN number 106524160. How does this car fit into your numbering
scheme? Wouldn't your numbering system make it a 1969? That
can't be right.

John Friese


--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., Allan Woodcock wrote:
> The article in the latest Amphicar Newsletter concerning VIN vs YEAR
did
> not seem logical to me. I am at Gordon Imports at least once a week
so
> Hugh gave me his understanding on this subject. The first thing he
said
> was that any variation to the norm could exist because the 9 digit
> numbers were stamped on the tags in the USA by the distributor. So,
if
> a car did not sell one year it could conceivably be stamped with the
> next year and sold. The cars before 1966 had the 6 digit serial
number.
> 101XXX was for '64 and older. 102XXX was not produced according to
Hugh
> yet that is the number on Paul Rasmussens car (something to be
worked
> out later - how many cars have a 2 in the 3rd position?). 103XXX was
for
> '65.
> Next come the nine digit cars. The number 562 was added after the
> second number in the original German numbering. Thus all cars after
> 1965 have a 562 in the VIN XX562XXXX. A 1 after the 562 was for
1966.
> A 2 or a 3 after 562 was for 1967.
> If we use the system mentioned in the newsletter then all nine digit
> cars would have been built in 1962 and a car with a 103XXX German
vin
> number would have been built in 1963 and not 1965. Since my car (
> 106521991) has a 1 after the 652 I plan to show the year as 1966
since
> the space for year manufactured is blank on the tag. If you look
at
> the club roster you will see couple of examples of cars that may be
from
> a different year than listed. Nils Brock(103092) is listed as a
1966
> when I might be a 1965. The same goes with Arnold Hite. Sidney
> Armistead (106523027) is listed as a 1977 when it in fact might be a
> 1967. So, it's the 3rd digit in the German numbering system and
the
> 6th digit in the 9 digit US numbering system that supposedly hold
the
> key to the year of manufacture.
>
> Allan Woodcock
> Red '67 soon to be a `66


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--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., Ren? Pohl wrote:
> Yes, in the 9 digit US number it is certainly the 6th digit giving
the year of manufacture. So it is a 1964 in this case.
> Anyway in the 6 digit number it is the 3rd digit telling the year of
> production.
> Important: Keep in mind that most cars were sold sometimes years
later after
> production and that NO car was built later than
1965.

******** I've been reading the posts on the side hoping to learn
something here but only wind up more confused than before. I own two
Amphi's and wonder about the year/vin thing. The first one is 101221
which is titled as a 63. According to the posts here I'll buy that it
was built in 61 if the third digit says so. However the second car I
have is a one owner, driven one season car and parked with 974
original miles. Its vin is 106522387 which the people here say is a
62 according to the 6th digit. This I dont believe - sorry. Am I
wrong? JW *****

John

   

--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., "John" wrote:

> However the second car I have is a one owner, driven one season car
and parked with 974 original miles. Its vin is 106522387 which the
people here say is a 62 according to the 6th digit. This I dont
believe - sorry. Am I wrong? JW
*****
Oh, I forgot to mention that the second car is
titled as a 1967.

Schulz Gary-FGS111

   

I think there is absolutely no credible evidence that says a VIN 101221 was
built in 1961. By that logic the Amphi corp could only limit their yearly
output to 1000 cars otherwise they would defeat their own numbering scheme. I
still say They just numbered then sequentially. Look at the transmissions, They
are sequential. Also I don't believe the bit about VIN's being stamped at
various times by dealers. I can say without reservation that the numbers on
mine were all stamped at the same time by the same tool!

Gary Schulz

-----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:isettajohn@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:08 PM
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] Re: VIN vs YEAR


--- In amphicar-lovers@y..., Ren? Pohl wrote:
> Yes, in the 9 digit US number it is certainly the 6th digit giving
the year of manufacture. So it is a 1964 in this case.
> Anyway in the 6 digit number it is the 3rd digit telling the year of
> production.
> Important: Keep in mind that most cars were sold sometimes years
later after
> production and that NO car was built later than
1965.

******** I've been reading the posts on the side hoping to learn
something here but only wind up more confused than before. I own two
Amphi's and wonder about the year/vin thing. The first one is 101221
which is titled as a 63. According to the posts here I'll buy that it
was built in 61 if the third digit says so. However the second car I
have is a one owner, driven one season car and parked with 974
original miles. Its vin is 106522387 which the people here say is a
62 according to the 6th digit. This I dont believe - sorry. Am I
wrong? JW *****



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tommyintpa@aol.com

   

aheath@us.ibm.com

   

> Regarding: Next come the nine digit cars. The number 562
was added after the second number in the original German
numbering. Thus all cars after 1965 have a 562 in the VIN
XX562XXXX. A 1 after the 562 was for 1966. A 2 or a 3 after
562 was for 1967.
-----
Okay, so three of my cars are 9 digit vin's. How does this
fit the theory. They are:
Car #1 10 652 2 293 - a digit 2='67?
Car #2 10 652 2 329 - a digit 2='67?
Car #3 10 652 1 981 - a digit 1='66?
Car #4 is a 6 digit Vin, so I won't even discuss it here.

But Car#1 was registered as a '65, two years before it was
manufactured (or otherwise stamped)? It also has under hull
front shocks, no lips, prop baffles.

Car #2 was also registered in '65, also two years before it
was manufactured? It has lips, through hull shocks, no
baffles.

Car #3 was registered in '67 so it could have been
manufactured in '66. It has lips, through hull shocks, no
baffles. But it's vin # predates the other two, including the
one with the under hull shocks, no lips, etc.

To my knowledge, these cars were not composits restored from a
from a bunch of other cars. All three cars have the "small
bilge" plug.

I'm totally confused on this VIN vs Year issue, but heck, it
doesn't matter in the middle of the lake! Speaking of that,
it's lunch time, no wind, 70 something outside.... What am I
doin' here??? bye....

Al Heath

markamsdill@aol.com