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SM is only half Citroen -
05-10-2007, 07:38 AM
Hi Mike,
If it is the SM that you have purchased, there are some serious things to watch out for. The Maserati V6 engine is notorious for throwing timing chains, which takes out the valve train as it is an interference engine. If the timing chain has not been replaced, it is a necessary and expensive procedure.
Also, on all Citroen's, because of the nature of the smooth sided bottom, rust does not appear in the usual places, and a Citroen can be quite rusty without apparent signs of the deterioration. You need to check the trunk floor way forward by the seam with the vertical front wall of the trunk, and the lower doors, from the inside, and with a magnet. These cars tend to rust from within the frame channels, and are supposed to be oiled in these channels to prevent the rust. It is extremely difficult to detect this rust from within the channels
Chas
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SM is only half Citroen -
05-10-2007, 07:38 AM
Hi Mike,
If it is the SM that you have purchased, there are some serious things to watch out for. The Maserati V6 engine is notorious for throwing timing chains, which takes out the valve train as it is an interference engine. If the timing chain has not been replaced, it is a necessary and expensive procedure.
Also, on all Citroen's, because of the nature of the smooth sided bottom, rust does not appear in the usual places, and a Citroen can be quite rusty without apparent signs of the deterioration. You need to check the trunk floor way forward by the seam with the vertical front wall of the trunk, and the lower doors, from the inside, and with a magnet. These cars tend to rust from within the frame channels, and are supposed to be oiled in these channels to prevent the rust. It is extremely difficult to detect this rust from within the channels
Chas
See what's free at AOL.com.
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Re: SM is only half Citroen -
05-10-2007, 12:51 PM
Hi Chas,
No, it is not an SM. I decided to place some limits on how much eccentricity I can handle at one time.
The vehicle is a 1987 Citroen CX Prestige. Actually it is a CXA which was the version imported and certified to meet US Federal specifications. Still has plenty of that French quirkiness including the hydraulic suspension. The CX series 2 was the last car fully designed by Citroen before Peugeot took them over. Theydo not have the rusting problems of some of the earlier Cits. Owning an Amphicar provides enough potential rust issues for me.
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Re: SM is only half Citroen -
05-10-2007, 12:51 PM
Hi Chas,
No, it is not an SM. I decided to place some limits on how much eccentricity I can handle at one time.
The vehicle is a 1987 Citroen CX Prestige. Actually it is a CXA which was the version imported and certified to meet US Federal specifications. Still has plenty of that French quirkiness including the hydraulic suspension. The CX series 2 was the last car fully designed by Citroen before Peugeot took them over. Theydo not have the rusting problems of some of the earlier Cits. Owning an Amphicar provides enough potential rust issues for me.
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Re: SM is only half Citroen -
05-10-2007, 12:58 PM
Chas is right, the timing chains were an issue but one of the UK specialists www.brodie.co.uk has a mod that fixes the problem, but Chas, they ARE wierd !! However wierd is good and it's something Citroen continue to do today - the current C6 has a retro DS look, http://www.citroen.co.uk/c6/
What has this to do with Amphicars ? Well the pneumatic suspension could potentially allow the wheels of an amphibian to retract which goes a long way to fixing the issue of speed on water. There is a mystery amphibious Citroen in the UK from the 1960s that may have had factory support but that certainly got to prototype stage. Details are here:
http://www.landairandsea.com/exhibits/mystery_citroen/
David C
----- Original Message -----
From: chasgould@aol.com
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] SM is only half Citroen
Hi Mike,
If it is the SM that you have purchased, there are some serious things to watch out for. The Maserati V6 engine is notorious for throwing timing chains, which takes out the valve train as it is an interference engine. If the timing chain has not been replaced, it is a necessary and expensive procedure.
Also, on all Citroen's, because of the nature of the smooth sided bottom, rust does not appear in the usual places, and a Citroen can be quite rusty without apparent signs of the deterioration. You need to check the trunk floor way forward by the seam with the vertical front wall of the trunk, and the lower doors, from the inside, and with a magnet. These cars tend to rust from within the frame channels, and are supposed to be oiled in these channels to prevent the rust. It is extremely difficult to detect this rust from within the channels
Chas
See what's free at AOL.com.
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Re: SM is only half Citroen -
05-10-2007, 12:58 PM
Chas is right, the timing chains were an issue but one of the UK specialists www.brodie.co.uk has a mod that fixes the problem, but Chas, they ARE wierd !! However wierd is good and it's something Citroen continue to do today - the current C6 has a retro DS look, http://www.citroen.co.uk/c6/
What has this to do with Amphicars ? Well the pneumatic suspension could potentially allow the wheels of an amphibian to retract which goes a long way to fixing the issue of speed on water. There is a mystery amphibious Citroen in the UK from the 1960s that may have had factory support but that certainly got to prototype stage. Details are here:
http://www.landairandsea.com/exhibits/mystery_citroen/
David C
----- Original Message -----
From: chasgould@aol.com
To: amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: [amphicar-lovers] SM is only half Citroen
Hi Mike,
If it is the SM that you have purchased, there are some serious things to watch out for. The Maserati V6 engine is notorious for throwing timing chains, which takes out the valve train as it is an interference engine. If the timing chain has not been replaced, it is a necessary and expensive procedure.
Also, on all Citroen's, because of the nature of the smooth sided bottom, rust does not appear in the usual places, and a Citroen can be quite rusty without apparent signs of the deterioration. You need to check the trunk floor way forward by the seam with the vertical front wall of the trunk, and the lower doors, from the inside, and with a magnet. These cars tend to rust from within the frame channels, and are supposed to be oiled in these channels to prevent the rust. It is extremely difficult to detect this rust from within the channels
Chas
See what's free at AOL.com.
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Re: SM is only half Citroen -
05-11-2007, 02:00 PM
Hi Mike,
I am quite familiar with the CXA Prestige, having owned one for many
years. Mine was black on black, and was quite striking. They are
really gorgeous cars, and have that distinctive Citroen style. The
only complaint is that they are seriously undernourished with that
little four banger, but the manual tranny helps that somewhat. They
are incredibly comfortable, especially at high speeds, and quite nice
to drive. Also, extremely reliable. Can't wait to see photos.
Chas
--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Mike Israel
wrote:
>
> Hi Chas,
>
> No, it is not an SM. I decided to place some limits on how much
eccentricity I can handle at one time.
>
> The vehicle is a 1987 Citroen CX Prestige. Actually it is a CXA
which was the version imported and certified to meet US Federal
specifications. Still has plenty of that French quirkiness
including the hydraulic suspension. The CX series 2 was the last car
fully designed by Citroen before Peugeot took them over. They do not
have the rusting problems of some of the earlier Cits. Owning an
Amphicar provides enough potential rust issues for me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
>
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Re: SM is only half Citroen -
05-11-2007, 02:00 PM
Hi Mike,
I am quite familiar with the CXA Prestige, having owned one for many
years. Mine was black on black, and was quite striking. They are
really gorgeous cars, and have that distinctive Citroen style. The
only complaint is that they are seriously undernourished with that
little four banger, but the manual tranny helps that somewhat. They
are incredibly comfortable, especially at high speeds, and quite nice
to drive. Also, extremely reliable. Can't wait to see photos.
Chas
--- In amphicar-lovers@yahoogroups.com, Mike Israel
wrote:
>
> Hi Chas,
>
> No, it is not an SM. I decided to place some limits on how much
eccentricity I can handle at one time.
>
> The vehicle is a 1987 Citroen CX Prestige. Actually it is a CXA
which was the version imported and certified to meet US Federal
specifications. Still has plenty of that French quirkiness
including the hydraulic suspension. The CX series 2 was the last car
fully designed by Citroen before Peugeot took them over. They do not
have the rusting problems of some of the earlier Cits. Owning an
Amphicar provides enough potential rust issues for me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
>
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