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Old 08-17-2008, 03:18 PM
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Gentleman,

Got a problem with a 1962. The whole car loses power, but the engine will turn over with the solenoid button. Cleaned all battery connections and changed solenoid to a known working one. Cleaned connections on regulator. For no consistant reason, the whole car dies and there is nothing I can "jiggle" to make come back on. Then, it just powers up again when it feels like it. There is no bilge blower set up.

Has anything similar happened to anyone here?

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Tom Laferriere
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Old 08-17-2008, 03:33 PM
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Re: Electrical Problem driving me crazy!

How about the solder connections on the back of the ignition switch?


        
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Old 08-17-2008, 06:51 PM
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Subject: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20119] Electrical Problem driving me
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Gentleman,

Got a problem with a 1962. The whole car loses power, but the engine will
turn over with the solenoid button. Cleaned all battery connections and
changed solenoid to a known working one. Cleaned connections on regulator.
For no consistant reason, the whole car dies and there is nothing I can
"jiggle" to make come back on. Then, it just powers up again when it feels
like it. There is no bilge blower set up.

Has anything similar happened to anyone here?

Thanks,
Tom Laferriere
401.651.2295



Remember that electrical problems are always a "circuit" problem. For the
electric to do its stuff, it has to be made to flow where and when we want
it. Everything starts at the battery, and it all has to also flow back into
the battery. Two ideas:

1.

If the engines dies, is it really "the whole car?" No headlights? No
brake lights when you step on the brake? If the whole car goes off, then the
problem is in your very primary power distribution, probably the battery
terminals, battery connectors & leads, battery ground or first common power
distribution point.
2.

If the engine dies, but you still have all your auxillary stuff,
like horn and lights, then the problem is in the ignition circuit. That runs
from ignition switch to coil to breaker points to engine block and back to
the battery. Take a voltmeter when this happens and see how far the power
goes. Is there power to the high side of the coil? Is there power to the low
side? Are the points open or closed? If open, the voltage should drop to
near zero when the points close (or you short them with a screwdriver).
Common problems are bad switches, broken or intermittent wires, bad coil
(can short across the terminals, can short to case, can go open), bad points
or bad capacitor (condenser).

Most all of these problems are also vibration and temperature dependent;
that is, they wait for the right temperature or bump, then act up, and
temporarily fix themselves after a bit of cool-down or another bump. You
have to be ready to start diagnosis quickly, then move along methodically,
without causing much disruption yourself, until you find the bad part of the
circuit.


Ed Price
El Cajon, CA USA
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Electrical Problem driving me crazy!

My guess, on the opposite side of engine firewall from battery, there are a series of connectors that plug together. I had an intermitent problem like yours and jiggled those connectors and would be going again. Eventually I replaced one- believe it is the top one that controls main power and have been good ever since.
Greg Z. (Michigan)

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Subject: [General Amphicar Discussion-t-20119] Electrical Problem driving me crazy!
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Gentleman,

Got a problem with a 1962. The whole car loses power, but the engine will turn over with the solenoid button. Cleaned all battery connections and changed solenoid to a known working one. Cleaned connections on regulator. For no consistant reason, the whole car dies and there is nothing I can "jiggle" to make come back on. Then, it just powers up again when it feels like it. There is no bilge blower set up.

Has anything similar happened to anyone here?

Thanks,
Tom Laferriere
401.651.2295


        
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3 different bilge plugs?

I have something that it appears even Gordons has never run into. Wondering if anyone knows or has an opinion. When I got my car, it was missing bilge plug- screw in type so I went to hardware store and got steel plumbing plug and it was exact fit so I have used for several years always meaning to buy the brass orginal. Finally I did buy it and found the Gordons one is just slightly smaller a diameter by 1/16 to 1/8. Threads do not even meet. I contacted Gordons to see if I could exchange for the right size and was told there is only one threaded plug. I am absolutely sure my hull is original and the threaded hole is from the factory. There is no evidence of any welding or that it is anything but stock. Have I found an anomoly no one has yet encountered or has anyone else ever seen this?
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3 different bilge plugs?

Greg, I can't answer your question, but I got a 64 from a guy in Michigan and it has the threads on the outside with a plastic plumbing cap screwed on to it. I suspect it was modified.
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I have something that it appears even Gordons has never run into. Wondering if anyone knows or has an opinion. When I got my car, it was missing bilge plug- screw in type so I went to hardware store and got steel plumbing plug and it was exact fit so I have used for several years always meaning to buy the brass orginal. Finally I did buy it and found the Gordons one is just slightly smaller a diameter by 1/16 to 1/8. Threads do not even meet. I contacted Gordons to see if I could exchange for the right size and was told there is only one threaded plug. I am absolutely sure my hull is original and the threaded hole is from the factory. There is no evidence of any welding or that it is anything but stock. Have I found an anomoly no one has yet encountered or has anyone else ever seen this?
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Re: Electrical Problem driving me crazy!

Greg,

If you can, post a close up photo of your bilge plug opening. Perhaps someone here can figure it out by appearance. I suspect is was altered by someone at sometime. Perhaps he was a really good welder.

John Friese
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3 different bilge plugs?

My guess is that PO either lost original bilge plug or somehow cross threaded it.* They then used a large tap and rethreaded it to a non-metric fitting.


        
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Electrical Problem driving me crazy!

Hi Tom,
My Amphy did the same thing, turned out it was the rotor. Had a hole in
it shorting the spark to ground when it felt like it.



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Tom,
I had a similar problem. Turned out to be the ground straps, both battery and from the transmission to the frame. Clean all connections.

Randy
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