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Old 10-02-2008, 08:13 PM
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Proposed Bylaw change

Please notice that I didn't post this on the other thread where there has been much discussion. My reason for starting this new thread is so that it can contain positive, open, and good discussion on this specific subject...that is my intent in this post.

The IAOC Board has asked for suggestions and/or changes to the Club Bylaws...they would then discuss the merit of the suggestion, and decide if a change is justified. Following is a change that I'd like to suggest.

Since there are only brief details currently included in the Bylaws to define how revisions to the Bylaws are to be made....and changes are certainly needed from time to time....I'd like to see the following paragraph added.

Revisions to these Bylaws are to be approved by majority vote of the Board. Proposed changes may come from any club member, and should be submitted to any Board member. Any proposed changes must first be accepted for consideration by majority vote of the Board. If accepted, the proposed change must be published in two consecutive issues of the Club newsletter. Included in this "Change Proposal" must be the current Bylaw wording (if applicable), the proposed Bylaw wording, and the Boards justification for requesting the revision. This Change Proposal must also include a call for comments from the membership to be directed to the Board. After being published in two consecutive newsletters, the Board shall discuss any comments from the membership, and then vote for final acceptance of the proposed change. Only after this final majority approval of the Board will the change be made to the Bylaws.


Currently, the third paragraph of "The Amphicar Board" section includes the following:
The club invites all members to write and suggest any changes or amendments to the bylaws at any time. These will be discussed and voted on by the board.
I'd suggest deleting these two sentences, and replacing them with the paragraph listed above.

The current wording doesn't require the Board to notify the membership of the change prior to making the change. For example, the Board might receive a suggested change, discuss it between themselves...and even get opinions from a dozen or so members...then vote and pass the change. The issue is, there might be 300+ members who aren't aware of any of this going on until the change is completed. There might be one of those 300+ members that has a good reason not to make the change...so good of a reason that some of the Board members might change their vote.

This proposed process will essentially force the members to "speak now or forever hold your peace" on any Bylaw change.

My thought would be that this change proposal, if accepted for consideration, should go through this process before being actually added to the Bylaws.

Related to this change, I think that the Club mailing address and the current Board members names be removed. The reason would be to prevent changes every couple years just because Board members change. The natural change of Board members shouldn't require a Bylaw change.

My proposed process might sound like a lot of trouble, but remember, the goal would be to prevent changes to the Bylaws. It should be a little more painful to make revisions...and less painful to follow them.


Any club members or Board members have any comments?
Any support from club members for this proposal?

thanks,
Marc Schlemmer.


        
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Old 10-03-2008, 06:30 AM
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Re: Proposed Bylaw change

Marc's seems a sensible proposal to keep the IOAC membership better apprised of changes to Club governance. Accordingly, I would second any such motion calling for improved communication of such changes.

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Old 10-03-2008, 11:09 AM
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Re: Proposed Bylaw change

Marks proposal sounds good and really strikes to the heart of the matter.

I think that some of the recent controversy arose not because of actions but by the perception that changes to the bylaws were made to accomodate those actions. Applying the law should indeed be at the discretion of the board. Changing the laws is a more serious matter and shoud require full transparency to the entire club constituency.


        
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: Proposed Bylaw change

I also concur that Marc's well thought out proposal will no doubt go a long way to guarantee total inclution of the members in the actions of the board. To ensure the decisions made by the board are indeed for the good of the club members, never on a personal level and are always transparent. Simply forcing an open door policy plus some the needed checks and balances that currently are lacking either by design or by mistake.

EXCELENT job Marc! It's too late for me, but at least it should prevent a similar situation from reoccuring so the club maybe can get back to the friendly folks we try to be.


        
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:35 PM
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Re: Proposed Bylaw change

I have asked one of our senior board members to take this on as a project since he was involved in the original bylaws. All comments and thoughts will be discussed and in all likelihood a voting ballot sent forth to the entire membership. I have also asked that he list item per item what was recently changed for clarification and discussion. Please be patient as this won't be an instant response / solution to this matter, however it will be done in a timely manner.

Please note that some of our board don't follow the on-line chat. We would appreciate it in the future if a follow up email (with a paste of the post, etc) or phone call would be made to one of us. This will also help to expedite things.

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Old 10-04-2008, 12:23 AM
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Re: Proposed Bylaw change

Ron, please do take the time that is needed. Haste and poor planning is what led us into the current situation. Any time that is invested into this will only serve to prevent further situations that only breed animosity and discontent. The club needs to be united again. As I said, it's now too late for me, but just maybe my situation has provided the impedus to effect change and maturation of the club I once cared so much for.


        
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:46 AM
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Re: Proposed Bylaw change

John, David C is working on this so I’m unsure why your comment "take the time" was given. As far as the statement "Haste and poor planning is what led us into the current situation", I must remind everyone that very little was changed from the original regarding the latest update of the bylaws which you wholeheartedly endorsed and approved. From speaking with David C I believe he has some thoughts and ideas that will be for the betterment of IAOC and overall bylaws that will be agreeable to the majority.
We do plan on sending this out for a membership vote, which will entail a ballot creation, return envelope, etc. All will be done in a timely manner in the very near future.

The recent recruitment letters that have been sent out to our ancient non-members have been a huge success. There are a few snags currently with the annual gift however it will be in our member’s hands in December and not June. The members only section of the website will soon be functional and posting of vin’s, newsletters, swim ins, etc will done in a timely manner. A welcome letter will be sent since many don’t use a computer to our newest members and more than likely a 2009 roster will be sent due to our membership increase. I also hope to have the PA waterway agreement back in hand this week so it can be mailed to our PA and surrounding Amphi owners. Due to all the new members the roster didn’t get to the W&W printer until Thursday of last week so it won’t be mailed until mid-week.

We are busy however I promise all that this issue will not fall through the cracks and will be addressed.

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Re: Proposed Bylaw change

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John, David C is working on this so I’m unsure why your comment "take the time" was given. As far as the statement "Haste and poor planning is what led us into the current situation",
Just some friendly advice and encouragement. I am taking the high road. As I stated in another thread, I will no longer feed the trolls with negativity. Time and kharma will exorate me.

I have no doubt it's getting worked out nor did I insinuate otherwise. I only meant that you should not allow the pressure of the situation rush the process, take all the time you need to get it right.

Not taking the time to really think things through played a large part in why my departure from the board was so ugly. If I had been given a chance to defend myself while we were in Celina, all of this would never have happened. Starting from the 1st shot fired at me in June leading to the email booting me in September. Think about the phone conversations we've had and I am certain you will understand this statement is not spiteful. It just states only what you, John and I have already concluded.


        
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Re: Proposed Bylaw change

This is an open, public forum, so I am not sure that this is an appropriate venue for discussions such as this -- although as a club member I have certainly learned things of which I was not previously aware.

Despite the above, however, as a board member of our recreation area/residential community, I can only concur with that previously stated and stress that the need for clear, well publicized bylaws (which are then FOLLOWED!) is essential for a strong, participative organization.

IAOC has always prided itself as a "loose" organization, which of course can be a strength, but turns out to be more of a weakness . . . particularly when interpersonal relations conflict with dollars and commercial interests.

I am very appreciate to all of you who currently (and have in the past) serve on the IAOC Board and contributed your valuable time and efforts for only the "glory" of knowing you have helped the Amphicar Community.

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